I mean, sure why not, but I think its silly that Holo only has 1 real option in that traitline. Variants 1. But yeah, slightly lower range. Veil is way more potent than Toss Elixir S, since it has no target cap. its qol change for half the cd, half the cast time and some extra might. It is actually incredibly minor. Engineer has Firearms. Its a glass cannon zerk build. Lol 1v1 with reaper, seems pointless to talk after that argument. Because I think my original idea is better. Also reduce the superspeed to 2 sec. After so much theory crafting, tweaking, and tuning. Lets start with autos. Well, they lowered grenade kit damage in the last patch for all engi specs. The point of this whole discussion was to point out that core and scrapper do not over-perform like Holo with the same traits. I put some thought into the skills and traits and compaired them to the current meta and my engi spreadsheets.. Talking PvE / Raids now: What we can safely say is that the Holosmith is mainly a power spec and will augment the current power Engineer. And beyond that, whats your setup, how much heat? Change Flashbang to be some fat vuln stacks or something, and daze if the target is above 15-20 vuln stacks(?). And theyre not good at bursting from range, since grenades are not that reliable at long range. Its what carries the build, might as well go all out on it, no? I compare the shroud and the forge cause one is clearly designed to a fulfill specific goal along with its class, while the other does not take into account the class. As established above, in an actual use case photon blitz is awful and as such is never used. Its outclassed by sword (as in, Engineers regular sword) in the most common heat thresholds. Holomancer Netto. It will never hit 22.5%. Oh and another damage boost that I totally forgot about. All of these suggestions would just mean that Holo gets Chronod, and core engineer is the only engineer people will play. I don't think it's quite fair to lump scrapper in there with Holosmith. Jack of all trades, master of all, strikes again. Any good holo juggles their heat as high as possible, not for the PF skills (they're all 'good' but nothing OP). Edit: and by the way, that statement can be applied to every broken meta build like: "The issue with crev isnt an issue with crev at all. It feels like they didnt want to double down on having holosmith have a big powerful alternative form in exchange for drawbacks, so they made both the drawback and the alternative form way more minor than reaper shroud. Oh but I guess the last attack in reapers chain has an actual side effect, which holos doesnt. Deaths charge blinds, and Im fairly certain hits far higher, but with the wiki being incomplete I cant say how much higher. Its not. Stop acting like Forge on 5s CD isn't full of kitten. Its the fact that damage as a whole is just too low right now". Not something you get with any of the other ones. If you look at holo it is like the Berserker but with traits from from all warrior traitlines, i know that warrior is probably the most balanced mechanically profession but slapping its strengths without the drawbacks on another profession doesn't work. Soul Spiral does similar DPS compared to Photon Blitz, however its AoE, a guaranteed whirl finisher, applies very useful poison and isnt a projectile that can be stopped. Power scrapper and core engineer do not have a good mainhand weapon, so they cant use shield. Holosmith Crystal Configuration: Zephyr — Holo Leap removes movement-impairing conditions, grants superspeed instead of swiftness, and inflicts cripple. If i had to pick one thing to be nerfed pn holo it'd be the perma swiftness, nerfing it's overall map presence and kill potential. It depends but if the enemy doesn't have a teamfight comp, I'd put my weak sidenoder (warrior, prev etc) on the teamfight instead, so that my reaper can 1v1 holo. They cant use shield effectively. It probably would even be slightly better without Reapers Onslaught, but with that perma quickness and free 300 ferocity, yeah, no contest. And I mean a lot better. The #1 NA and EU player on the leaderboards both play Holosmith. The issue is that theyre the only class left doing noticable damage, and even their damage isnt that high, so just having a heal is enough to make you a bruiser. Also the shroud locks you out of utilities so no condition cleanse no stunbreaks. BUT, they did buff core and scrapper a bit so I can't complain too bad. It has ranged burst, melee burst, superspeed, stealth, insane sustain, insane disengage, tanky, condi > boon conversion, tons of boons, and 25 might. Your class doesn't deserve to have access to stealth at all outside of smoke fields. And the talk about Reaper Shroud is because people want to treat photon forge like reaper shroud (i.e. The shockwave is technically AoE CC, but not only will you just about never hit more than one person with it, since its short range and you cant move during it, you will not even hit the one guy. As someone who has used all of those before, its different. Theres not even new raids or fractal content, just empty promises. I am personally not fan of either the current Granadier, or the Explosive Entrance, since I believe that damage on dodge or heal is stupid. Meta builds ripped straight from Gods of PvP aside from swapping off reaper's onslaught just to see what the numbers are looking like it without it. Give holosmith the nerfs it DESERVES already. mass invis has twice the cooldown, occupies elite slot and has over twice the cast time, and if you need to stealth allies you will do it equally good. There is some conflicting philosophy over how classes are intended to be post-feb patch when it comes to holosmith. Sure, why not, I prefer explosive Temper anyway. then yes, BP is the only skill that is similar to toss S. Stalling is not the same as 1v1, if you know you will get support or gank at some point it is quite different and Boyce is champ he could probably win 1v1 with just WASD keys and a stick. I'm sure if we gave 30%+ damage to most power weapons then their damage would seem equally (or more) as ridiculous. I mean the whole kit is broken, the damage is broken. After taking damage, it will cause all your tool belt skills to go on a 15 second cooldown. You can click them one by one and notice that one has larger cast time and longer cooldown while having almost similar scaling. And it has poison. "Hey here comes a holo-...oh my entire team is already dead to grenade barrage.". Damage aint there. Reaper probably can, but I doubt its worth it. Constantly nerfed for the sake of bringing down Holo. Or most classes skill bars, for that matter. Like, we saw Boyce fight 1v1 multiple times in the finals alone. Why is Holosmith's trait line providing condition conversion, passive healing, as well as it's utilities providing high access to block and protection? It takes place over ENTIRE necro shroud. Let's hope they make good decisions moving forward. As for bunker, Holo cant really bunker anymore. Barrage got nerfed twice since (coef. I imagine this could be removed, but I'm iffy about nuking the only source of cleanse in an entire traitline. holo forge takes over 1 F skill. Don't 360 while you're using, don't do it around easy line of site and it's fine. Side by side comparison https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reaper's_Shroud and https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Photon_Forge . Thats a lot youre missing. Just remove the sustain inherent to the traitline - aka heat therapy. Except it's also just objectively stronger than both at virtually everything. Found the issue here https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Explosive_Entrance_(trait_skill) it has PVE scaling of 332 (1.25) and these have 133(0,5) https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shock_Wave_(trait_skill) , https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reckless_Impact, this one is a hoot though https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lesser_Mark_of_Blood#WvW.2CPvP lol 40(0,1). The damage just isnt there. The minor trait does more damage than all of the Mirage damage orientated ambushes on a Wizard Amulet with Infinite Horizon and 3 clones. **kitten give more love to engineer's other traitlines. Reapers autos are faster and do more damage. Right now stalling is the same as 1v1. Engineer. Holo is pretty dead atm, it has no survivability unless you dodge everything XD. Reduces duration of movement impairing effects but doesn't remove. It doesnt. That was my point. Something has to give, you can't have a design philosophy for class balancing then make a single class completely ignore this philosophy and have everything at once. I'd rather see a hard 25%-33% reduced healing as a draw back for taking Holosmith. Thats incidentally as much or less than the 20% the 300 ferocity add. You say that like Forge has bad damage or something. Flame Blast and Shock Wave -> both skills get activated through the trait Evasive Arcana while being attuned to fire or earth, both can crit Reaper is an underrated counter to holo. — In-game description. I hope that means core buffs, after the holo nerfs. A lot of teammates do even in plat. More damage in the long period, but a lot less in the short erm. Power Rifle Holosmith - 29.8k DPS. It isn't any different than any other ranged channel like Confusing Images, Unload, Repeater, Ghastly Clawed, Barrage, Plasma Beam. Yeah dude maybe in 6 more months they'll nerf the things that people have been talking about for weeks now... Why did condi thief and owl pet get nerfed so quickly but engineer and protect me(ranger sustain in general) are being completely ignored? Also tested Reckless dodge if you stack all the multipliers you can get 2k, tried with the PVP build on holo got 3500, the base damage starts at 771. Theres not even new raids or fractal content, just empty promises. Let me explain you why it is a bad idea to duel builds that excel at that, at some point you run out of life force generation. GW2 WvW Guardian Roaming 01 - 'Hammer time' - Duration: 8:42. It was stated that you're supposed to give up damage for sustain, sustain for damage, but holosmith currently gets it all for free. rampage) but that is not the case here. Blinding Powder: Has lower cd than Toss Elixir S and also is a stunbreak, gives a short duration stability, blinds nearby enemies. CMC said that they'll keep an eye on it. This class will be even stronger now, despite a nerf to grenade barrage, since the tanky classes got a lot less tanky and everyone will be dying quickly to holosmith now, so they will carry games even harder(Both the rank1 NA and EU play holosmith). It seems that it functions like a Necro shroud, but it just didn’t feel the same. And when it comes to burst? New Player Guide for the Engineers Holosmith Elite Specialisation. What a silly person. Those have no cooldown at all. Guild Wars 2. You said 36 second cooldown, which is lower than 40. Well it is not rocket science to throw some nades at a stunned target. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reaper's_Shroud, https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Photon_Forge. You do in Reapers Shroud, sometimes, because its actually way burstier, but even that is rare. It will usually however around 15-20%. There are a lot of things that can be shaved, as the original poster mentioned a few. @DeceiverX.8361 said: ), but that may be my grumpy bias showing through. The damage coefficient on explosive entrance is overtuned, it shouldn't proc on any attack but. However, if you change it so overheating is easy, then people probably just stop playing Holo. Take everything I have said so far, and now assume that the skills take half as long to cast and hit harder. This skill is part of the Holosmith specialization mechanic and is activated through the minor adept trait Photon Projector. Reaper's Onslaught gives 300 ferocity. The nades are spammable and the animations look the same and the trait is buffing their speed add quickness and might and laser's edge and it adds up, it just does more damage then a designated AoE profession, which tend to need to shed some defense and go into melee to reach the same numbers. A lot of teammates do even in plat. What kind of team dies to a grenade barrage? Also, 'nade kit didn't see any proper use in the past 5 years, so it shouldn't be that surprising. Nice to know pvp is about hittig a golem xďddd , reaper shround one shot ppl , do big dps in long time doenst mean nothing , this is not kitten pve , scourge does far more dmg than reaper but the thing is reaper has big dmg in small time , and holo access to quickness in photom forge is so kitten small , elixir is ur only breakstun u can use it freely to do dmg while holo mains doenst use sword 3 with photon forge , sword 3 is used with morter or granade kit after leaving photon forge with dmg boost but u dont even know cuz ur just bringing stupid pve logic to a complex scenarios , Nice to know pvp is about hittig a golem xďddd , reaper shround one shot ppl , do big dps in long time doenst mean nothing , this is not kitten pve , scourge does far more dmg than reaper but the thing is kitten has big dmg in small time , and holo access to kickness in photom forge is so kitten small , elixir is ur only breakstun u can use it freely to do dmg while holo mains doenst use sword 3 with photon forge , sword 3 is used with morter or granade kit after leaving photon forge with dmg boost but u dont even knos cuz ur just bringing stupid pve logic to a complex scenarios. Soul Spiral is the same, but its AoE instead of ranged. Its the fact that damage as a whole is just too low right now. Currently Holo has too much "you have to dodge this" skills, you have dodge their heal, their after dodge effect, their forge and the grenades. Tagged games, guild wars 2, gw2, heart of … First is the condi damage modifier from Kalla’s Fervor. © 2021 ArenaNet, LLC. So reaper goes shroud and thats it. Old Forums Archive PLEASE let heat benefit more than just sword. Its a mediocre kit. @Vancho.8750 said: Suddenly Soul Spiral doubles Photon Blitzs DPS while having all those benefits. The main issue I think is to do with the perks of having high heat. Higher CD skills generally generate more heat. Crystal Config - Zeph. I am proven wrong, didnt know BP is aoe stealth. Their heal (or rather lesser grenade barrage) is so extremely janky youll dodge almost all of it just by doing nothing. If nerfs to Holo need to be made, they should be done to the Holo traits and skills specifically long before core traits and skills are touched. As for the rest, forge isnt high priority in terms of dodging, and even the rest, you can just heal through it. Holosmith grants access to the Photon Forge (sometimes referred to as holo mode) and introduces a new resource: heat. God of PvP's condition mirage build is hitting 1,600 DPS . And i see you all missing the point that the explosives traitline got PVE buffed, one would say powercrept. @UNOwen.7132 said: Blind on explosive could require you to take 3 trait lines for a single trait and it'd still be obscenely overpowered. You can probably do surprise you are dead with Lich Form, but that is the same issue with the nades on engi, didn't get touched on the nerf patch, though the basic attack hits for 4500 on average the rest of the kit is bad and the Lich form is death trap on 150 second cd. reaper shroud is entire class mechanic. when you go holo you have 4 F skills AND holo forge. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Even if you seem to really hate engineers, at least make an effort to check the facts before throwing out arguments which can't withstand a quick search on the wiki. Then it needs to be a lot better than it is right now. Explosive Entrance should still 100% see a nerf. Photon Forges autos have a total coefficient of 2.132. The drawback is a loss of F5. @N A T E.3108 said: For instance, I still don’t understand how the Holosmith works. Complete side note: even with the balance changes that are coming next week, I think the topic of this discussion is still entirely relevant. Then how is that core and scrapper seem less broken then? when you go holo you have 4 F skills AND holo forge. Its pretty much just the 2 corona bursts that barely pull holoforge ahead, but again, only barely. Also overtime the sustain and defense orientated traits and utilities in holosmith should be phased out. You can argue "Reaper's Shroud has permanent quickness!" Pages in category "Holosmith skills" The following 33 pages are in this category, out of 33 total. Like, we saw Boyce fight 1v1 multiple times in the finals alone. Then there are all the skills which just stealth the user, which have all lower cd than Toss Elixir S. It was stated that you're supposed to give up damage for sustain, sustain for damage, but holosmith currently gets it all for free. And the heal is actually pretty big, it would be weird if this skill wouldn't have a higher cd. Running holosmith should force the player into a high risk high damage spec that needs to play very correctly because it's capacity to resustain and recover after a serious mistake is significantly less than core engineer and especially scrapper. Having perma 20+ might, 3 condi converts every ~8ish seconds, 200-400 healing per second, and essentially perma-superspeed from a single traitline is definitely what I believe should be adjusted. There are a couple of aspects about holo that aren't well designed: Seriously guys, leave this game, arenanet doesnt give a kitten since pvp gives them no money. Its outclassed by grenade kit (mind you, a kit that wasnt even playable until recently) at all of them. If we count healing skills as "utility skills", then there is also Hide in Shadows, which also has lower cd. Uh, both? A lot of this comes from it's utilities and traits. Sure, lets go side by side. I like that Holosmith seems to be intended to be an Engineer that relies less on Kits, just because I've wanted less kit-heavy gameplay for years. Practically due to how much it increases heat for the little payback, and how jank the skill is, its usually a DPS loss. Blind nearby foes and grant stealth to nearby allies. Holosmith confused me at the start since it is pure damage without offering any survivability. But its still a whole lot better than not having any. Sidenoders are unkillable because damage is too low. It's a step in the right direction at least. Well, yes. Lol 1v1 with reaper, seems pointless to talk after that argument.Also bunker Reaper even more lolz. I thought that you maybe consider veil here, since it also AoE stealths. There is some conflicting philosophy over how classes are intended to be post-feb patch when it comes to holosmith. You ignored the trait that makes reaper shroud actually broken (while I imagine you at the same time didnt ignore enhanced heat capacity storage unit), you assumed a skill so janky its never used is used, and you ignored the entire aspect of heat. Its not bad, but its not good either. Maybe that is incorrect, I might have to check it in game. A lot of classes have an unplayable traitline. Sadly, these things keep core engi playeable at the moment, take these away without compensation, and the spec. Jump to navigation Jump to search. Reintroduce damage to the game, and Holo will not be an issue. What a silly person. Let's hope they make good decisions moving forward. This patch BARELY touched this class. Not really. Stalling is not the same as 1v1, if you know you will get support or gank at some point it is quite different and Boyce is champ he could probably win 1v1 with just WASD keys and a stick. Lemme guess. And i see you all missing the point that the explosives traitline got PVE buffed, one would say powercrept. This'll make the trait more broadly applicable but on a much lower level. It's one of the worst designed elite specs from a perspective of just augmenting literally everything the core class does. holo forge takes over 1 F skill. The only skill that would be a fair comparison for Toss Elixir S would be thief's Blinding Powder. Dude you recently kitten on my holo using your scrapper with flashbang, hammer 5 stun, hamme 2/3, and wrench (all while having stabi and a 50% health barrier), no counterplay offered, 3 seconds combat. @Shiyo.3578 said: Like which skills? But Holo can. Especially if Holo has to burn a stunbreak for the quickness. Why are you so surprised to hear about something that happened multiple times in the MOTA? You sure that Sniper idea is as good as you thought it was gonna be?Because I think my original idea is better. Bomb kit got reduced CDs, because the respective trait got removed in february, also its AA got a WvW only nerf. All orders are custom made and most ship worldwide within 24 hours. If a Reaper Shroud was on a 5s CD instead of a 9s CD, do you have any idea how much stronger a Reaper would be? Most ppl compare it to other on-dodge effects, but it has the key difference of only applying on an attack after a dodge, which provides a certain amount of leeway not present in things like Reckless Dodge, which basically made the dodge itself into an attack you had to mitigate. Condi conversion, damage up (in particular might), and a bit of sustain. The other AoE skills either have lower cd or have a higher cd simply because they also got alot of other stuff added to them or are simply way stronger as a stealthing device than Toss Elixir S. @Shiyo.3578 said: The most important one is sword. 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